Although described as an ideal vehicle for "urban and urban residents who do not drive long distances," rural drivers actually benefit the most from switching to electric vehicles (EV). This is usually true regardless of which state they live in or what type of vehicle they currently drive. Moreover, although rural communities across the country do have their own culture and characteristics, common themes such as longer driving distances, larger vehicles, and many shared socio-economic factors can help to reap the potential benefits from vehicle electrification.
Therefore, without further ado, here are five reasons why rural drivers benefit the most from switching to electric vehicles.
1-Long distance = cheaper than short distance
The “refueling” cost of electric vehicles is lower than that of gasoline or diesel-powered vehicles, which means that the longer the distance the rural community drivers travel, they save more in fuel and maintenance costs than urban residents.
Most modern electric vehicles provide much more range than people think. For example, the Volkswagen ID.4 Pro provides SUV-style grocery transportation and more than 260 miles of cruising range-and can be charged from almost "empty" to "full" in 45 minutes on a Class 6 charger...
...This means that every time a rural driver needs to drive for six to seven hours, they need to stop for lunch. In any case, they may do so. More importantly, in Mustang Mach-E or Tesla that can be charged at level 7, they only need to be stopped for about 20 minutes.
2-Larger, older vehicles = save more than smaller, newer vehicles
Compared with urban communities, rural communities tend to own larger vehicles, such as pickup trucks, SUVs, and minivans, and they tend to buy second-hand cars and/or use cars for longer periods of time. For example, in Maryland, a study showed that 49% of vehicles in rural areas have been in use for more than 10 years. Compared with new cars, larger and older vehicles are more likely to need repairs, and their fuel efficiency is even lower than when new cars, so for these drivers, the fuel savings of switching to an electric car of the same size may be greater vehicle.
How much fuel can the driver save? Using DOE and utility data from PGE, a typical five-seater SUV needs approximately $35 worth of gasoline to travel 300 miles. An electric car can travel the same 300 miles for only $7 of "electric fuel".
More importantly, all available electric vehicle incentives already exist-more are coming-the cost of choosing an electric truck is comparable, or even lower than the cost of buying a new V8 pickup truck, while providing better performance, etc. "On-the-job" ability.
3-Rural drivers are more likely to charge in the garage
Most electric car charging takes place at homes and garages. This is a simple fact-rural drivers are more likely to live in single-family houses than their urban counterparts who live in multi-unit apartment buildings or townhouses. There are off-street parking spaces.
For example, in Maine, Virginia, and Vermont, more than 85% of rural and suburban households live in single-family or two-family homes with garages or driveways, and they can use standard, commonly used 110V or 220V from them Charge the wall socket in the driveway or garage at home.
4-EVS can be affordable for everyone
The auto market is very hot now, the price of used cars is higher than ever before, and the price of new cars is often thousands of dollars higher than the list price. This is not necessarily the case with electric vehicles, and many dealers—especially in rural areas of the United States—seem to still offer discounts. Due to external factors and federal tax credits of up to $12,500 (not to mention state or local utility incentives) designed to make it easier for low- and middle-income families to use electric vehicles, the prices of certain models have also been pushed down, electric vehicles May be the only cars you can buy today.
5-Rural drivers are more dependent on their vehicles than urban drivers
It’s been nearly 25 years since the first Toyota Prius hybrid was first launched (yes, it was in 1997). At that time, the electronics and batteries in these electric cars proved time and time again to be more reliable and The cost of ownership is lower, more than anyone predicted. For example, at least one Tesla driver in Canada has driven more than 700,000 miles on their Tesla Model S...
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-Driving a Tesla 🇨🇦 (@DriveTeslaca) April 4, 2021
...This is impressive, but hardly the whole story. In 2019, a Southern California shuttle service called Tesloop maintained a Tesla fleet, each with a mileage of more than 300,000 miles, and there was no sign of slowing down.
"The company's seven-car fleet-a mixture of Model X, Model 3 and a Model S-is now one of the Teslas with the highest mileage in the world," Michael Colum wrote in Quartz Magazine . “They shuttle between Los Angeles, San Diego, and destinations in between almost every day. Each Tesloop car regularly drives about 17,000 miles a month (about eight times the average mileage of a corporate fleet). Many people need at least a full charge every day twice."
This kind of reliability is something people who cannot call a taxi, jump on a train, or ride a bicycle to work at will can-and should-be able to rely on.
In short, it is not clear why rural communities and central America are often ignored by proponents of electric vehicles. Even journalists often make this mistake—often ignoring the fact that entering the garage means that rural drivers do not need the same level of public infrastructure support as urban drivers to make the switch to electric vehicles feasible. After all, lower purchase costs, incredible fuel savings, lower cost of ownership, and better than expected reliability make electric vehicles a smart choice for cousins in your country... if someone is willing to tell them Enough!
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> Viewpoint: 5 Whether rural drivers benefit from electric vehicles
Fact: 5 is the reason why people cannot read this title.
I didn't receive it either.
A stupid typo of mine when editing. Now fixed
Well, if 5 turns out to be 8, I wouldn't mind. There are many ways this can happen.
"It would be great if someone told them!"
You should tell them. You can become EV Johnny Appleseed.
Some of us do this. I am more active in a local electric car advocacy group in the Richmond area of Virginia. Several times a month we go to the local farmers’ market or like to party to set up parking lines and talk to anyone who is curious about our car. I usually find the afternoon time to be a good deal, because if it is not in the early stages of researching possible electric cars as their next car purchase, at least many people are curious.
I usually recommend that they download the Plug Share app just to understand the charging potential in their area, and discuss with them the functions they can have even if they have only used a Level 2 charger at home (the effective radius is usually much larger than they expected ), and brings the possibility of free level 2 charging in public places. The latter point is really eye-opening. Well, when was the last time you saw a gasoline pump or diesel pump with the word "free"?
I have been finding that assuming the questioner has any preconceptions about the usefulness of EV, it may be much more conservative than what is really available. I find that the voice of anti-electric vehicles is often much louder, because many people I talk to have received a lot of trash like what I see. Whenever there is an electric vehicle article, I will see it here: you It is almost impossible to successfully work and come back, and then the car stops for a few days while charging, etc., etc. (Yes, I exaggerate it. Not many, preconceived by these people.)
Dude, "free level 2 charging" does make them think.
Just last week, an acquaintance mentioned that he heard that Chevrolet Volt batteries cost $10,000 and you must replace them every 5 years. I didn't challenge him because he had made up his mind.
When we were doing it, I heard that the shortage of chips was due to their being injected into the Covid vaccine. Without Covid, we would have chips in our cars, but we would not have chips in our brains! /Second
I really started to wonder if the population of this country could become more stupid. What people believe today is close to untrue.
At least no one screamed at us that we are some kind of communist driving these things. Of course, since I said this, I look forward to the farmers market tomorrow. ....
Oh, they will. In this neighborhood, if you drive 45 minutes into a rural area, it will arouse the anger of pickup truck drivers. Electric cars, Prius, and even ordinary cars will irritate them.
Driving in the countryside in central Washington, the guy driving the Cummins Ram decided that my Bolt and I would be a good coal rolling target when he passes by. It was too bad for him, I saw him coming and knocked it down; he couldn't keep up.
"The shortage of chips is because they were injected with the Covid vaccine"
Interesting theory. Everything now makes sense. What kind of boat do they use? ARM-based SoC? News: "Arm and CSNE of the University of Washington collaborate to develop a chip that can be implanted in the brain"
"The shortage of chips is because they were injected with the Covid vaccine"
I want to know if I can mine cryptocurrency on them? With extra cash, they will heat my blood and keep me warm in winter. It may be another disappointment. I am frustrated that the magnetized thing is not true. That would be very convenient. Do something and be able to stick tools to yourself when you are not using them. This will be the greatest invention ever. You might even get on a bicycle and be dragged away by a car.
Where do you get energy? Mitochondria? Oxidative phosphorylation? You will have to consume a lot of glucose. This will not end well.
"Where do you get energy?" Hmm ATP? No, not enough power. Well, I think you can do this with radioisotopes extracted from nuclear waste. That is absolutely safe, right? Just inject them together with the nano-scale GPU chip.
If they can scale these batteries...:
https://www.energylivenews.com/2021/08/25/eternally-charged-smartwatches-to-become-real-with-nuclear-waste-powered-battery/
@SCE to AUX: Is that the same chip that I implanted in my body against my will? The only way for it to be deactivated is if I rescue the president from the Duke in the destroyed New York City? I almost finished it with only a few seconds left, but it might end in a terrible way.
Since cruising range is still an ongoing topic of electric vehicles, it is worth mentioning that not all "rural" mileages are the same. I live in the suburbs—two miles to the west is a shopping plaza; two miles to the east is a farm. Then there is the rural type, you are only an hour away from any place.
In addition, "rural" (to me) is usually equivalent to pickup truck drivers, which until recently was not a niche market for electric vehicles. This is about to change.
The definition of "rural" has a scope. It also varies from region to region. My "rural" is probably different from the "rural" of @SCE and AUX.
This is a very good article.
My dad keeps mentioning electric cars, and I keep telling him to wait.
Another reason is that you keep letting your mother and me down.
PS, if you drive the right vehicle, you may be able to make up for all the negative feelings I just gave you instructions. (Keep working hard, son.)
PPS Google "hedonic treadmill"-if you can use a computer and think independently like your sister. (We are proud of her. She is driving a Lexus now—have you seen it? Such a lovely shade of blue.)
“For example, in Maryland, a study showed that 49% of vehicles in rural areas have been in use for more than 10 years.”
Part of the reason is, well, poor—or at least too poor to replace basic pickup trucks every three years at dizzying prices. Do you think they will replace that very expensive truck with a very expensive EV (or even an EV truck)? I do not.
"This is not necessarily the case with electric vehicles. Many dealers-especially in rural areas in the United States-still seem willing to offer discounts. Due to external factors and up to $12,500 in federal tax credits (not to mention state or local utility incentives) ) Designed to make it easier for low- and middle-income families to use electric vehicles. The prices of certain models have also been lowered. Electric vehicles may become the only cars you can buy today."
So let's break it down:
"Many distributors-especially in rural areas of the United States-still seem willing to offer discounts"
Because no one wants to buy it.
"The prices of certain models have also been held down by external factors"
What? Yes, nothing is pushed down, everything is rising with Biden's inflation. In fact, Tesla has been slowly increasing prices (this is easy to do if there is no dealer distribution network that might oppose it).
"Federal tax credits of up to $12,500 (not to mention state or local utility incentives)"
Don't forget that the money you stole is used for corporate welfare to subsidize products you don't want!
Maybe this is true, somewhere, but one thing that has never been explained is how power companies will surprise all of us in the medium term, and this may be why they provide "rewards". Just like "chip shortage" is a common excuse for everything now, it will soon become "those damn electric cars", although the market share may only be 5%, but when the price of electric cars doubles. I can not wait anymore.
"Aims to make it easier for low- and middle-income families to use electric vehicles"
Have you seen low- and middle-income families? They don't buy new cars. "Middle income earners" may not have bought new cars since the 1990s/early 00s. "Middle income" when they did buy a new car for ten years or passed it down, but maybe in the late 00s, many people transitioned to the rental model because the new car *at the time* became a bit expensive for the unemployed/half-employed . Even so, I think Chevrolet Bolt's corporate benefits are around 20K, but these people still haven't bought it, so if pricing is not a problem, when will they come?
"Electric cars may be the only cars you can buy today"
For good reasons, dealers tend to be more flexible with batches of poisons.
"For example, at least one Tesla driver in Canada has driven more than 700,000 miles on their Tesla Model S"
This is impressive, but Model S was launched in June 2012, probably MY13. So the oldest example is not a quiet decade, and we don't know the age of the example that broke 700K. In addition, I seem to remember that Tesla guaranteed the battery life at some point, so did this example achieve 700K on its original 2013-15 (?) battery or did they get repaired? If I seldom drive, my battery will more or less degrade, what should I do?
Electric vehicles have good commercial/fleet applications, but in the real world, apart from major geopolitical events, there are not many other applications.
"For example, at least one Tesla driver in Canada has driven more than 700,000 miles on their Tesla Model S"
I am interested in learning more. What type of driving? How many hours are in the car a day?
Interestingly, the first Tesla Model S came out in 2012, so we don’t have any major electric cars that have been in use for more than 10 years. I want to have Leaf, but its range is very short, which is not good for rural customers.
So I would say that this article is about a year ahead of its time.
I am a rural resident and we have recently done some electrical work on the house. I asked them to queue to the garage to buy an electric car charger. We don't have electric cars yet, but we will one day. I hope they can make an electric zero-turn lawn mower. I am tired of noise.
How much does it cost to install this line?
A wise move. I did the same when I rebuilt the garage two years ago (electrical fire, burned to the ground), and made 240v 30A on both the inside and outside walls of the garage. After completion, my long-term electric car plan finally began.
They are electric zero-turn lawn mowers-I think Ego now makes l-ion lawn mowers, and I'm pretty sure ryobi has a lead-acid version.
There are more than 7 different brands of electric zero-turn lawn mowers available. Pricing starts at US$4,200. Someday is today.
Purchase RYOBI 42-inch 75 Ah battery electric riding zero-turn lawn mower at a special price for US$3,599 (approximately 2.5 acres). Free shipping (leave your truck at home). which country!
The highly experimental and unproven sealed lead-acid batteries (4 of them) can currently be replaced for $129.99 each. (So this may be a deal breaker, no, maybe not.)
https://images.thdstatic.com/catalog/pdfImages/14/14f9a61f-8071-45a7-a95c-f3b3081d9b8e.pdf
Dear ToolGuy, if I have 4 acres of land, can I cut 2 acres on Monday and then cut the remaining 2 acres on Tuesday? Does the neighbor gossip? Thanks in advance.
Signed in Texas, scope anxious
Taking into account the loss of charging, the Ryobi lawn mower uses approximately US$0.20 of electricity per acre. Will this not destroy my budget and paralyze the U.S. grid?
Signed, Little Chicken-Minneapolis, Canada
There is actually one—in fact, from my quick search, there seem to be several. Unfortunately, it is approximately $35,000.
This is a link: https://meangreenproducts.com/?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=MG-General&gclid=CjwKCAiAs92MBhAXEiwAXTi250pemA79iCj64n2o7jiLNGAbQtnmOXbc86zswj8RoktnyEgA
I have been wondering why rural people like to use range hoods. Usually it is rationalized by "needing a truck", but I rarely see trucks being used as trucks, especially the $70,000 fashion statement. If I were a rural person, I would own an important solar cell array and fuel for free. The payback period of PV investment is about 8 years, but injecting a lot of money into the fuel tank is a good way to never afford an electric car.
When I checked solar last time, if I was 100% off the grid, my payback period was about 25 years. Suburban house, 2000 square feet, gas heating, about 1000 kWh/month, including electric cars. My electricity bill is about $140 per month, which includes cars.
The switch to solar energy also requires significant investment in batteries and switchgear.
I have never set a price seriously, but at my age (58 years old), I would not invest, and the return far exceeded my home ownership. If I were to build a new one, and I was 30 years younger than me, I would consider it-but I had no money when I was young.
Grid bundling is the way to go. Simpler installation and return on investment of approximately 10 years or less.
@Add Lightness——I saw many rural people use diesel pickups. This is usually due to the use of diesel fuel on farms, mining and logging equipment. They don't tend to use electricity for heating. Firewood is the main heat. That needs a big truck to haul it. Solar and wind power make sense, but it requires a lot of money to build it up.
Electric vehicles obviously make a lot of sense, and in many ways, for many drivers, have been significantly improved over ICE, and now more legislation is needed to enforce their adoption.
This is the question of the task. People don't like being told what to do. People like freedom of choice. People will be dumbfounded. On the other hand, affordability. I bought my last new car in 2017. It cost less than $20,000. I bought it only because I knew I would never have this opportunity again in my life. I still own this car and will own it for many years to come. For me, the problem with replacing my car with an electric car is the upfront cost. A Model 3 is 250% more expensive than my last new car. Why I chose it as an example is the size is comparable to what I have. I can't justify spending that kind of money. I believe many people are the same.
I recently did a bodywork/paint job on my vehicle. Out of curiosity, I asked three different body shops whether they work on TESLA. All three said no. They say they are capable, although they are not TESLA certified, nor can they get parts support. The nearest TESLA certified store is 143 miles from the hotel. And my address is not No. 40 and Meihua. Our county has a population of 500,000.
If I have purchased an EV, I can use Bolt or Mustang to get dealer support.
Point 2 is worth noting to me. I have a family in rural Iowa. In the town where they live, the median annual household income is $42,000. There are many similar towns in the Midwest. Due to affordability, residents own old cars. Electric cars can't afford it. The public chargers in the town are zero. A 25-mile drive to the nearest public charger. It is necessary to install a household charger. How does this affect the tenants of houses and apartments?
I do not support the authorization of electric vehicles. I fully support the construction of electric vehicle infrastructure.
Don't forget to build dozens of nuclear power plants first. Otherwise, you can only charge the electric car on Tuesday and Saturday.
The value of #1 (more miles, more savings) depends largely on #3 (charging at home) and the specific distance and area involved. If 95% of your day is less than 200 miles, and you can charge at home, then an electric car makes sense. This may indeed describe most rural drivers.
In the end, #3 is the best reasoning, but it illustrates the challenges of urban adoption rather than rural advantages.
As for #2 and #4, you buy a car when you need/want/can buy a car, and then replace it with anything that meets your requirements. The new car/truck is always much better than the old (#2), including mileage. Now, electric cars may make the most of the benefits of change, but only when you get a car do you need to do what you need to do... and for many rural drivers, we are not exactly there b /c There is no reasonable electric pickup truck available in 2021, and probably not in 2022 (Lightning will be sold out/delay b/c global supply chain). In addition, due to limited battery supply and low incentives (non-CARB), some good electric vehicles are not even available in rural areas (such as Kia/Hyundai), so details are important.
#5 It will be true in the end. If the project is only half right, the motor and battery will perform better in terms of reliability and maintenance. Teething pain will happen, but not soon.
Shocking fact: the battery will degrade over time. Thanks to Tesla’s wireless update, Tesla can change the charging curve of your battery without you knowing: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkbuktuPWvE"
"Shocking fact: the battery will degrade over time."
But the situation is changing. The LFP battery has very good durability, and the new silicon anode in the 4680 should also be durable. The 4680 or LFP should easily be more durable than a car or any car ICE drive system.
You may be right. You may already know it, but a good documentary about LFP batteries is this "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_GtSA4Ig9s". I think it’s strange that the Canadian Electric Power Company allows Chinese companies to produce LFP batteries in China. Let them gain key manufacturing expertise, while other countries are banned. This reminds me of the United Kingdom selling Rolls Royce jet engines for MIG-15 to the Soviet Union or the United States selling Chistie tanks as agricultural equipment to the Soviet Union. As Ian Fleming wrote: It used to be accidental. Two times is a coincidence, three times is...
I am excited about the progress of sodium ion batteries. They are talking about reducing the price of sodium-ion batteries to $33 per kilowatt hour. A 70-kilowatt-hour battery is $2,310. With sodium ion, you don't need battery management, so the battery pack price is close. The first use we will see in electric vehicles may be the CATL Lithium Hydride/Sodium Ion battery pack.
MCS, thanks for your tips. It seems that graphene will help. Here is an article you may have read: https://spectrum.ieee.org/graphene-sodium-ion-battery It seems that you are one of the smartest people on this site. Always appreciate useful information.
How well-known is "oopsie" in your county?
How many kilowatt-hour batteries does a small electric car have?
At present, the power of a small electric car like Bolt is 65kWh. This will change soon. Next-generation batteries are lighter, including Teslas 4680 batteries. As cells become lighter, fewer cells are needed in a given range. Having fewer batteries will reduce costs, and because you need fewer batteries within a given range, the charging time will decrease as the number of miles per minute increases.
The cells have been steadily getting lighter. I think the initial leaves are about 130 to 140 watt-hours per kilogram. I think Model 3 is 260 Wh/kg. I think the 4680 battery will be 380 Wh/kg. From the Model 3 battery to the 4680 65 kWh battery pack, the weight is reduced by approximately 175 pounds. Compared with the battery in the Leaf, the weight is reduced by approximately 646 pounds.
Due to the structural battery pack, the weight reduction of Tesla's battery pack will be even greater. I don't have those numbers.
The cells will become lighter and lighter. The electric cars we will see in the late 2020s will be completely different from what we see today.
"The electric cars we will see in the late 2020s will be completely different from what we see today."
Aluminum or carbon fiber bodies could be used long before that to reduce the total curb weight (unless they are already in use and I don't know).
If you are indeed in the countryside, you will make a lot of trailers. I haven't seen the use of electric vehicles to tow, and then use their weight to see what the range is. Prior to this, the use of electricity in rural areas was the fantasy of some urbanites. Not to mention the lack of charging stations. Not to mention the so-called entry price of real trucks. The Rivian entry price for a medium truck is about 70,000.
As I said before, I drive back and forth between Atlanta and Savannah, Georgia every few weeks. This is a 260-mile drive one way. In the years I have done this, between the beach house and Atlanta, I have only seen three Teslas on I-16/I-75/I-285. three. In Atlanta, you will see a bunch of Teslas. In Savannah, you also saw some. There is nothing in between.
Remember the gang, it's the south, and the weather there is usually good. Now in the beach condominium it is above 70 degrees. It's worse in the north because of the cold.
Electricity in rural areas is not ready at all. Until you show me knowledge about traction and traction. And there is a lack of infrastructure for charging in the same time as the refilling time. Until then it was wishful thinking.
I didn't even talk about the entry price of electric cars.
Oh, put it down and people just use Tesla trailers! I was 45 minutes away from a rural area, and most of the things I saw were dragged by a super pickup truck with a lawn mower. Something that a car can tow easily.
The entry price of the vehicle should not be a problem. People who open pickups here often have 60k, 70k, hell or even 80k pickups.
I didn't see the value perspective. Yes, the rural driver increased the mileage. Yes, China Joe charged some money for gasoline, but there are a few elephants in this room. Cheap electric cars are very small boxes, they are still not that cheap, $10,000 plus the purchase of Civic delta to buy a lot of gasoline.
I live in a rural area surrounded by ethanol fields or plastic fields (annual crop rotation) and experience power outages due to ice/thunderstorm/wind events from time to time. Although this may be an "anecdote," we experienced a three-day power outage a few years ago. The lack of electricity is very serious-it was a late winter ice storm, and we had electric ceiling cables for heating. We had to use propane heaters to heat the house (yes, it's dangerous, but the temperature stays above 40 degrees Fahrenheit), and use my wife's 1998 Yukon to power the necessities through an inverter, spinning the load from time to time. We filled the bathtub with water until the pressure tank stopped pushing because the well pump was turned off. I am not a fan of all electric households. This incident has strengthened my dislike of power dependence-my wife and I have just discussed the issue of installing backup generators again, because we had a power outage due to a 15-mile car accident a few days ago. A telephone pole. I can't imagine that in this case, if travel needs to be allowed for some serious reason, then in the case I explained above, vehicles that cannot be refueled/charged for a long time will appear here. Some comments I have seen on TTAC seem to indicate that several people believe that electricity is “made on a wall somewhere” or “generated from those big gray things hanging on poles in the street” and never It will be more than a quick flash in the pan/blink. Just reset all clocks, reset the desktop, and restart Netflix on the tube. Power outages in rural areas are a very serious matter for many of us who live here. As @28 said above, "Electric vehicles have good commercial/fleet applications, but in the real world, apart from major geopolitical events, there are not many other aspects." I also believe this.
Mr. @bullnuke, you are preaching to the choir. I asked the electrician to redo the wiring of my old farmhouse so that it can pick up a load from the Honda generator. Small generator? Pump, kitchen, choose which room has electronics. Big generator? Add HVAC to the original list. I can't see anyone who would say, "My dear, there is no water pump because I have to charge the electric car." Whole house generator? It's not that bad. After a few hours or days of power outage, I saw countless REMC trucks and their lights miraculously turned on.
It's not much better in big cities. I live in Alexandria, Virginia, and we were on the brink of a hurricane. My small apartment was out of power for three days. Thank goodness, I can shower and shave at work. Oh, I was forced to drink those beers before hey went bad. Near my house, the higher the cost of your (town) house, the faster your electricity will turn on. The apartment building next to me has been suspended for four days.
These things are effective, but it is actually a good example for the correct EV as the second/third vehicle.
I live in a hurricane country and have the necessary generator and house connections. Generac is good, but a charged F150 Lightning can run your house alone for 2-3 days. The important thing is that it will run your house quietly at night and safely in the rain, so you can run generators that are not quiet or rainproof during the day. For short-term power outages caused by accidents, this is a better solution.
This does not mean that an electric car is perfect, nor should it be your only vehicle or power source at this time, especially. For rural owners. In fact, currently, F150 Power-Boost Hybrid can do everything Lightning can do, just burn gasoline. It is almost as quiet as rainproof, and unrestricted (towing, distance, etc.) like a single vehicle.
I will make it very simple. If you live in a place where grocery delivery is not available, then you are not a candidate for an electric car. If you plug in a small town, the nearest public charger will be in a big city-thanks to John Melenkamp there.
Jimmy Cool Ray, the local bar owner, trucking company owner, rough house landlord, and town’s largest trailer owner might buy a Tesla. Look, he will pick the two best friends who only use the first two initials (JD, WW, LR, the list is really endless) in the high-speed ridiculous running.
The wine law in the Midwest is strange. Jimmy CR’s bar can be legally open at 6 in the morning. People in three shifts only stopped a few people before they went home, or other people gulped for breakfast, which included fat, carbohydrates, pork protein, and black coffee. Jimmy Cool Ray often eats breakfast and brings newspapers and his laptop. He reached some kind of agreement with two licensed electricians, involving cash, takeaway beer, some free breakfast coupons, and two free baseball caps with the name of the bar. This is how Tesla chargers with the "For Tesla Use Only" logo are installed in front of the bar. Jimmy Cool Ray always plays the angle.
This is how the electric car charger will be installed where the seed company proudly wears its hat.
You need to write for TTAC. Ha ha
I asked about my job, when I was out, I plugged an electric car into the wall on Caterpillar stuff. They said: "Don't ask; don't tell." My problem is that although I live in a smaller city and work in a small village a few miles away, I often have to cross 3 feet or 4 feet to get to work. Feet of snowdrifts-so other people don't have to come later that day.
My 2010 F-150 did this, and it only has 145,000 kilometers, and it will continue to do so for many years. It is paid, and I hardly need to spend anything to run it for half a year.
A new all-wheel-drive/four-wheel-drive electric vehicle can drag my boat through the Rocky Mountains, and it can also allow me to work while drifting, do dumping exercises, and drag cool old cars home with me. This may be a wallet shock compared to what you already own.
tl;dr I will not spend 90,000 Canadian dollars to replace things that do not need to be replaced. If this is the case, I will sell my 2007 CTS-V and buy 2017 CTS-V. Old Ford stayed.
Mr. @Tele Vision, the wise man in my heart wants to ask if you are dragging your boat through the snowdrift. /s
I have—though just to park it on my land. There is nowhere to put it in the city. If I pay for indoor storage for something made entirely of fiberglass and aluminum, I will be very angry.
The cow ate my boat cover-no one had written before.
Mr. @Tele Vision, I almost spit out my iced tea after reading that. You have the choir of future country music.
I hope we can upload pictures on this website. They left the hull alone, but apparently pulled the lid so hard that part of the frame broke. There is no evidence of the cover anywhere. Simmental will nibble on anything!
Writer Joe, please go to aintgonnahappen.com
I am a rural person and don't know how to make a lot of trailers. Almost nothing, I can do very little, I can do it in Civic
I live in rural America and commute 90 miles a day. Charge at home. Save $$. I traded a 9-year-old ICE SUV at a dealership for a BEV SUV, surrounded by trucks, which can only drag donkeys, nothing else. I can screw up the fracturing machine, the Saudis, and you ICE drivers will take drugs and scream in the 21st century. Of course I will not miss the air pump.
Insanity. Where does your electricity come from? What if the power grid collapses and your outlet has no juice for several days? Or 3 days a week? Do you understand that all the government's attacks on ICE are just political gimmicks serving current trends? Now some people believe that they can get rid of all comfort and life will continue. Give it 5 years of cold winter and hungry spring, the number of idiots will decrease. They will say, "Well, I am cold. I need gas to heat my home"
You should visit Israel in the summer. See how people don’t turn on too much air conditioning. Because KWT compares with the United States, the cost is x3. Be careful of your wishes.
Just like making meat in the back room of a grocery store, electricity is generated on the wall behind the socket cover. There is nothing to worry about. It's always...
4-EVS can be affordable for everyone
He did say that it is more affordable, not affordable.
The point of this article seems to be that their country folks are too dumb to figure out what is good for them. I think many of them see vehicles as tools, not toys. Back when I purchased the F250, I needed a vehicle that could pull a horse trailer hundreds of miles away on some weekends, and a heavy center console fishing boat to the coast on other weekends. There is currently no EV truck with any price. , Instead of mentioning it at an affordable price, it can do what my stone age technology V10 gasoline truck can do. When pulling these types of loads, the impressive appearance range of those $60,000 pickup trucks will plummet, and assuming you can find a place to recharge, and the long trips that have to be charged multiple times will add hours. I can tow my truck/trailer combination to any of dozens of truck stops and gas stations along the way, charge my 30-gallon fuel tank in 10 minutes, and then be ready to go on the road. After 20 or 30 minutes, the electric car still cannot be fully charged, so you will only have about 80% of the already limited cruising range, so it is necessary to park more frequently, because you are afraid to break the limitation of cruising range due to the scarcity of charging stations , Especially in rural areas. Sitting in a charging station for half an hour or more in summer, a trailer full of animals may even kill them, and you can't even use some charging stations without putting down the trailer. No, not everyone does this, but many people do, and current prices, range, and charging infrastructure make electric vehicles unsuitable for many people.
On the Gulf Coast, we also have these things called hurricanes, which may cause power outages in rural areas to last for several weeks, because the first task is to restore electricity supply in urban areas. Evacuation will also be fun.
One day, these price, battery life, and charging issues will be resolved, and this is not that era anymore.
I live in the countryside. Almost everyone has a garage. Almost no one uses theirs, but parks the car near the entrance of the road so that after the snowplow passes, the snow is shoveled or blown less. Is there an ice storm? Use the remote control to start the car, heat and melt the garbage on the windows. When you sprinkle salt in the area to generate traction, her car is ready to start.
There is a reason why electric cars and self-driving nerds tend to live in places where snow can't fly. If they did, they wouldn't want to push a rope to see what happens. They knew it a long time ago.
"There is a reason why electric cars and self-driving nerds tend to live in places where snow can't fly."
That is untrue. In the tropical paradise of Norway, BEV sales have reached 62.5% of the market share. In Massachusetts, Tesla is everywhere. You often see them.
Although there are some parked at the end of the driveway, most people do use their garage or park near the house. Everyone has plowshares or large snow blowers, so driveways are not a problem.
We can also start electric cars remotely, but since we are not limited by engine heat (which may be reduced in extreme cold), we can get sufficient heat no matter how cold it is outside. I once had a dedicated charging station in my remote workplace, which could keep charging all day long. I have a timer to maximize the heat and defrost about an hour before I leave, and then I will be the cleanest car in the parking lot.
If we wish to come close to the EV take rate of the tropical paradise of Norway, our elected representatives are going to have to step up and impose the same kind of rules that the Norwegians have.
First, a 25% sales tax is levied on internal combustion engine vehicles and a 25% sales tax on electric vehicles. This will almost narrow the price gap between the two categories.
Secondly, high import taxes are levied on internal combustion engine vehicles, and no import taxes are levied on electric vehicles. Of course, almost all vehicles in Norway are imported, and our evil automakers can manufacture them here, so we only need to change them to the destination fee. stable!
third. A surcharge is imposed on the weight, emissions and horsepower of ICE vehicles. All of the above will double or more the price of ICE vehicles, but we are not done yet!
Let us also double the price of fuel, waive road and ferry tolls for electric vehicles, and establish thousands of publicly funded charging stations where they can park and charge for free.
Of course, due to the large amount of hydroelectric power generation, the Norwegians already have about 90% of the green energy. We may encounter some problems there, but I believe we can build enough windmills and solar power plants to supply all these vehicles.
Then there is the question of how to pay for all of this. It will not come from increased taxes and fees, because internal combustion engine cars will not have any significant sales at all. I guess we can continue to print money, or we can do like the moral Norwegians. They are one of the world’s largest exporters of oil and gas, so we can drill, drill, drill, and sell oil and gas to China, where they don’t care about emissions, they are on the other side anyway, the other side of the world, so It will not affect us.
Finally, we can recruit an army of angry, frowning, and mentally ill braided girls to preach to us the destruction of the world until we succumb.
So, let's go to Brandon! You have made great progress in increasing fuel prices.
@285exp: I was responding to a person saying that electric cars are not sold in cold climates, and pointed out that Norway is a cold climate, and electric cars are still very popular. If they can't get to the Arctic Circle (those are my favorite benchmarks/reviews), no amount of government magic will help. Let's go for coffee!
No, he did not say that electric cars are not sold in cold places. He said that they tend to sell better in cold places, which is obviously not the same thing. Then you will notice the high adoption rate of electric vehicles in Norway. This is mainly because the price of buying ICE cars in Norway is prohibitively high, not because the cold climate will not have a more negative impact on electric vehicles than ICE cars. Norway tested the impact of cold on the EV's range and found that they lost an average of nearly 20% in the test, while the Model 3 lost as much as 28%.
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/03/21/electric-cars-cold-weather-testing/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHcrxUKwLi_LGA6MezYlY8Tm3qgE9FGdqO1CYL6mzZHfyJ6w02Kn4occU9TwrOU88JyyrM3gtrrVq8YNjj6bHgTbx8Gs_OUMcfIydaFwlE8q_D-J6svoZ-sN_2ReTxrMqKubU_gh9A0X6WFa7R6AW1RFIm8h7Q1ttFiiBuQnAYgq
Obviously you are very knowledgeable and enthusiastic about electric cars. Like other true believers, you tend to attack those heretics who dare to question the true religion, regardless of whether what they say is true or not. Maybe you can try to be more objective and admit when people make effective observations and criticisms instead of automatically saying "Hmm!".
Since even the cleanest gasoline cars are very dirty during a cold start, starting a gasoline car remotely will only cause everything within about 100 feet of the car and its surroundings to be in a cloud of toxic fumes. Oops.
On the other hand, remote starting via a plug-in electric car is a miracle. There is no need to consume any full cabin heat for the voyage (and because once you start working, the heat has to do less work and even have a positive effect on the voyage).
Another factor of farm country is not mentioned (although I just skimmed this article). Farmers find that they can combine power generation with agriculture. Wind power and so-called agricultural photovoltaic power generation, in which solar farms are used to grow crops and graze. It has some rules. For example, you can’t graze goats because they eat wires, but sheep ignore them. However, if farmers have their own power stations, they will want to use electrical equipment instead of spending money on diesel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrivoltaic
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/02/16/wind-energy-can-help-american-farmers-earn-money-avoid-bankruptcy/4695670002/
Mr. @mcs, you really have to investigate the allowable range of each rural electricity supplier and the fees they charge. Back home in Indiana, Duke Energy provides electricity to most small towns. Your local REMC (Rural Electricity Membership Cooperative Organization) will charge twice or three times the electricity bill. It will only get worse from there. Most of the time, the attitude of their management stays in the mental framework of black and white sitcoms. Install solar panels? A wind turbine and sell the electricity back to us? No, no, neither. They are more concerned about whether Mrs. Cleaver is helping Beaver to get rid of jam, or what kind of pies Aunt Bea is preparing for dessert. I try to stay away from politics. Although this site spares no effort to get them involved, most of the REMC directors are MAGA Republicans. https://www.wabe.org/how-biden-won-ramping-up-the-base-and-expanding-margins-in-the-suburbs/
@el scotto: Yes, I read that a farmer wants to go to agricultural photovoltaics, but there are restrictions on land use. He can make them change the law. He said this was the only way he could make money.
I think many farmers are decent businessmen. Regardless of politics, if they can make more money from their land, they will do it. I read that it even helps reduce the cost of crop irrigation.
Now, in Massachusetts, our local municipal power company does pay for power generation and will work with me to develop my system. I checked rural power companies in Texas and New Mexico, and they all have corresponding forms. In Vermont, I don’t even need to check. Solar energy is everywhere. Many big suns follow the board.
I still think the evs is an excellent third family (or second person) car, but nothing more. Someone mentioned that there was a power outage last year for 3 days. I have been 6 days in a row, and I am only an hour away from New York, almost not in Upstate. This is an important issue in the transportation plan, but it is acceptable as an interruption to my mowing. When I live in a real rural area, the current range of 250 inches is sufficient for cars, but it is completely useless for loads and towing in truck applications. So yes, all of these are alternatives to miata. This is good, but people are so excited about all of this that they seriously exaggerate their applicability.
"Last year someone mentioned that there was a power outage for 3 days. I have been 6 days in a row, and I'm only about an hour away from New York,"
Then you go to the public charger. If you are driving outside, then you will pass a public charger. There are numerous public charging facilities within 60 miles of New York City. If you do not drive in those six days, then you will not consume electricity in the car. You can also drive to a public charger, install it, and then "drag" it home, and then run it with an inverter. Using solar energy and grid storage, you won't even notice whether the power supply is interrupted.
"I still think the EVs is an excellent third family (or second person) car, but nothing more."
You didn't give a reason? Why can't it be the first? Is a 300, 400, or 500-mile car not enough? Do you think the average family commutes 1,000 miles a day? The third car? That is how the matter? For years, I have been using a 100-mile range electric car and workplace charging for a 100-mile round trip commute. I even took it during the holidays. A range of 200 or 300 miles would be a luxury. Now, the occasional 40-mile round trip commute is a piece of cake. Using a 280-mile range car, I can complete a 40-mile range commute in a week without charging.
Rural people say-MUH TRUCK MUH TRUCK IM Country CAUSE MUH TRUCK,
In an electric car, you cannot be as ignorant as a gasoline or diesel pickup, without loud exhaust or blowing gas oil from the exhaust to roll coal.
On average, rural residents are a fairly ignorant and uneducated part of the population. Just look at the vaccination rate in rural areas.
A fool I saw on Facebook was in the intensive care unit, 5 hours away from home in the country. My family has started to fund me to fund fuel costs to drive 5 hours on their petrol pickup truck to the hospital or nearby. I don't know why, can you go to the hospital to see a patient with new coronary pneumonia?
I'm not sure if this comment is serious or deliberately humorous. The name "Average Simp" is not accurate-"Exceptionally Simp" may be more appropriate.
Oh, put it down and people just use Tesla trailers! I was 45 minutes away from a rural area, and most of the things I saw were dragged by a super pickup truck with a lawn mower. Something that a car can tow easily.
The entry price of the vehicle should not be a problem. People who open pickups here often have 60k, 70k, hell or even 80k pickups.
Those who worry about the decline in the power grid are actually defending electric vehicles. I have experienced 3 blackouts in my life. And every time all gas stations are closed. When there is no electricity at the gas station, you cannot buy fuel.
However, if you have a home generator or wind or solar power, then you can theoretically charge an electric car at home.
I don't know anyone else, but we kept a few gallons of gasoline and #2 fuel oil as a hedge against power outages or severe storms. There is no point in not doing this.
Most modern furnaces require electricity to operate the blower. "Ignition" also requires electricity.
We let my mother-in-law’s stove use a Honda generator in the city to clean the voltage controlled by the electronic burner through a UPS block. The effect is very good, after which only fossil fuels are required to operate. Our house is unlucky-an electric house. The propane point heater saves us from freezing.
Aha! So we use electric cars to deal with climate change, and then when we run out of juice, we start to run home generators to pollute the environment. OK.
Wal-Mart is installing DC fast chargers in their super stores, Loves is installing chargers, Ford will have recognizable trucks, etc. Rural areas don’t trust changes and new things (usually)-but these charging stations and electric cars look like normal cars, becoming more popular, and rural areas will buy it. However, don't think that flyovers will always be Aptera's big market.
Mr. @probet, I don’t know that Love's is installing the charger.
Yes-they have been in electric cars for a long time. I think that when people see the charger in familiar places (and more places), they will use their toes more comfortably.
I don't know the bed and breakfast in August. I only have a quarter can of gasoline. I believe the electric car drivers here know how much battery they have. No one stood up and said oh my god, I certainly hope I have enough gasoline to go to work. Well, when I was young, sometimes I wish I had enough gasoline to go to work; blame this on Milwaukee and Lynchburg.
No one has explained how long it would take to fully charge if I forgot to plug in the night before. We all forgot to buy gasoline. Will AAA provide charging services?
Either way; if you don't have gasoline or electronics, you don't need to fill it up; you just need enough to get you to the gas station or charger.
I plan to end at Wawa tomorrow morning. Love me some Cafe Con Leches. If the electric car is not equipped with a locating charger app, it should be equipped. I believe that most electric car drivers have a charger app on their phones.
"Does AAA provide charging services?"
Yes, they have covered this. This article is 5 years old and has been expanded.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15346575/placebo-on-wheels-aaa-charging-trucks-seek-to-remedy-ev-range-anxiety-prove-mostly-unneeded/
Dear TTAC, it's time to buy a new TV for this family that may be inbred and most likely to be a rural fool. Should we stick to rear projection, or should we try one of the new plasma devices?
https://www.cnet.com/tech/home-entertainment/remember-when-tvs-weighed-200-pounds-a-look-back-at-tv-trends-over-the-years/
Oh, how much electricity does the new TV use? (Because the third job mainly pays for gasoline, this will never change)
@ToolGuy: Use vacuum tubes. Silicon has no soul.
We have a minivan in the country. We live 15 miles from the main town where there are chargers, and we also have charging places at home. The one thing we don't have is the choice of BEV minivans.
It is easy to see the appeal of electric vehicles. They are simpler mechanically and perform well. But I don’t understand why few people ask this basic, critical question: Where do we get electricity to charge all these things?
Our grid is barely enough. Remember the freezing in Texas last February? People lost electricity, hundreds of people died, many of them really froze to death. In other places such as California, the frequency of power outages that were rare ten years ago is increasing. How could we add millions of electric cars, trucks, heat pumps, kitchen appliances, water heaters, and countless other gadgets to this fragile grid?
Wind energy and solar energy cannot make up the difference. Governments have spent hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidizing wind and solar energy, but fossil fuels still provide more than 80% of the world's energy. This is an interesting fact: in the past 40 years, the contribution of fossil fuels to our energy structure has fallen by less than 1%.
So why don't wind and solar energy reduce the consumption of fossil fuels? The biggest reason is that global energy demand is growing so fast that all these new wind and solar power plants cannot even keep up with the pace of growth. As environmental activists also oppose nuclear energy, fossil fuels must deal with growth. Global oil consumption is now at a record 100 million barrels per day. Except for a brief decline in 2020, consumption has been steadily increasing at a rate of about 1 million barrels per year for decades.
So to answer the initial question, if politicians succeed in forcing the mass adoption of electric vehicles, where will we get all the extra electricity? The answer is that there may not be enough power. We will implement a rationing system, and the freedom of movement we now enjoy will be restricted. This is already happening in the UK. Starting in May 2022, recent legislation will mandate the use of electric vehicle charging ports in new residential and commercial buildings. These will be "smart" chargers, which means they will automatically turn off between 8 am and 11 am, between 4 pm and 10 pm, and in random 30 minutes when demand is high. This is actually a ration, and it may already be taken into account in a large city near you.
We should never forget that energy is the most important commodity on the planet. Without energy, we cannot grow food, process, refrigerate, or transport it to the market. Without energy, clean drinking water will become a luxury, and life-saving medicines and medical equipment will no longer exist. If reliable energy sources (coal/natural gas/nuclear/hydropower) disappear, civilization will fall into chaos within a few days. We will live in a crazy Max scene.
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